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	<title>Comments on: Lt. Governor Blogger Discussion</title>
	<link>http://www.utahopinions.com/index.php/2008/02/13/lt-governor-blogger-discussion/</link>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 07:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.utahopinions.com/index.php/2008/02/13/lt-governor-blogger-discussion/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I heard Lt. Governor Herbert say "emotional democracy" myself and your translation is what I felt, too. The problem with the Lt. Governor's assertion is that it is in fact that same emotion that put him in office. People vote emotionally based on public discussion that is either portrayed on television, blogs, word-of-mouth, or similar means. Being one who was educated on the topic of vouchers I voted against it. So I left the table knowing Lt. Governor Herbert's remarks were simply a point in which I disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I heard Lt. Governor Herbert say &#8220;emotional democracy&#8221; myself and your translation is what I felt, too. The problem with the Lt. Governor&#8217;s assertion is that it is in fact that same emotion that put him in office. People vote emotionally based on public discussion that is either portrayed on television, blogs, word-of-mouth, or similar means. Being one who was educated on the topic of vouchers I voted against it. So I left the table knowing Lt. Governor Herbert&#8217;s remarks were simply a point in which I disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: UtahTeacher</title>
		<link>http://www.utahopinions.com/index.php/2008/02/13/lt-governor-blogger-discussion/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>UtahTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, just saw this.  Thank you for posting about what you heard from Lt. Governor Herbert and from Jason Chaffetz.  I feel I have a much better feel for the legislators whom I have met in person.  

Something Frank reported really bugs me.  The voucher proponents are continually making these stealthy claims about "emotional democracy" and the "misinformation" put out by teachers.  Translation: You were stupid or deceived if you disagreed with us.  Senators Bramble and Dayton clearly outlined their dislike for referendums for 5 minutes or so at the public meeting I attended.  The Senate is pushing SB54 to make it even more difficult to push through voter initiatives and voter referendums in all levels of government &lt;i&gt;except&lt;/i&gt; state referendums to avoid public scrutiny.  

Tighter restrictions on the public's ability to put issues or laws up to vote are unnecessary at best, and an abuse of power at worst.  November was the first state referendum since the '70's, and I can recall only a handful of local or state initiatives in the last decade.  Claiming that these are being abused is a self-serving.  As people researched and got informed about vouchers, they were more likely to vote against the voucher bill.  As Steve Urquhart, the sponsor of the voucher bill, put it: the referendum process is sound and acts as a rip cord for the public, or another check and balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, just saw this.  Thank you for posting about what you heard from Lt. Governor Herbert and from Jason Chaffetz.  I feel I have a much better feel for the legislators whom I have met in person.  </p>
<p>Something Frank reported really bugs me.  The voucher proponents are continually making these stealthy claims about &#8220;emotional democracy&#8221; and the &#8220;misinformation&#8221; put out by teachers.  Translation: You were stupid or deceived if you disagreed with us.  Senators Bramble and Dayton clearly outlined their dislike for referendums for 5 minutes or so at the public meeting I attended.  The Senate is pushing SB54 to make it even more difficult to push through voter initiatives and voter referendums in all levels of government <i>except</i> state referendums to avoid public scrutiny.  </p>
<p>Tighter restrictions on the public&#8217;s ability to put issues or laws up to vote are unnecessary at best, and an abuse of power at worst.  November was the first state referendum since the &#8217;70&#8217;s, and I can recall only a handful of local or state initiatives in the last decade.  Claiming that these are being abused is a self-serving.  As people researched and got informed about vouchers, they were more likely to vote against the voucher bill.  As Steve Urquhart, the sponsor of the voucher bill, put it: the referendum process is sound and acts as a rip cord for the public, or another check and balance.</p>
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		<title>By: fstaheli</title>
		<link>http://www.utahopinions.com/index.php/2008/02/13/lt-governor-blogger-discussion/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>fstaheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said "many [Democrat] amendments".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said &#8220;many [Democrat] amendments&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: fstaheli</title>
		<link>http://www.utahopinions.com/index.php/2008/02/13/lt-governor-blogger-discussion/#comment-485</link>
		<dc:creator>fstaheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.utahopinions.com/index.php/2008/02/13/lt-governor-blogger-discussion/#comment-485</guid>
		<description>I was very impressed with what he had to say about  the Governor's insight and goals for economic issues and his knowledge of the world around him.  I appreciated very much his long-term insight into the Education Voucher debate that (1) Emotional democracy often doesn't work as well as a reasoned representative government, and (2) many amendments to the voucher bill in the Legislature would have had the effect of killing it outright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very impressed with what he had to say about  the Governor&#8217;s insight and goals for economic issues and his knowledge of the world around him.  I appreciated very much his long-term insight into the Education Voucher debate that (1) Emotional democracy often doesn&#8217;t work as well as a reasoned representative government, and (2) many amendments to the voucher bill in the Legislature would have had the effect of killing it outright.</p>
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